Monday, December 25, 2017

Looking into 2018


Well,
So far - not so good.
The Republicans keep pushing their pro-corporate agenda.
It is not wrong – in general – but the version they push will eventually lead to a huge social stress, followed by strong social explosions, and all the gains corporations get now may be erased in one quick motion.
The Democrats still have no idea what did they do wrong, and how to fix it.
All new and old third-party movements are fighting with each other to show off who is more “progressive”. They do not understand that for most of the people they want to appeal to, they are even worse than the Democrats – more arrogant, snobbier, farther from regular folks.
But, since it is the Holiday time,
Let’s hope 2018 will bring some positive changes.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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And now in 2018:
The government just was shut down.
Don't know why, but that got me thinking about the fact, that over the last twenty years the social conditions in the country have been slowly but gradually declining.
This video gets some insights on the matter:
But for me two facts are sufficient to prove the existence of the decline:
1. Donald Trump is the President (this is consistent with the video)
And
2. The quality of roads today is much worse than even five years ago; potholes and cracks are everywhere and no one takes care of them.
If that is not the sign of a decline, what is?
BTW: the video gives is a nice summary of the reason for the decline,
(similar to:
but it does not tell one "little" thing.
Rich supporters of Hillary Clinton would never support Bernie Sanders. IF (big if) in 2020 the race comes down to Donald J. Trump v. U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (or Sanders-like) those people who pushed for Clinton will push for Trump. And those are the people behind the Democratic Party!
And all what the "opposition" or Our Revolution does is waving old flags and chanting old chants:







Sunday, December 10, 2017

What's wrong?! We are HERE, and want to be THERE, but don't know HOW!

also, on reddit.com  at  ()
https://www.reddit.com/user/valvor333/comments/7ixppe/wahts_wrong_we_are_here_and_want_to_be_there_but/

Lately, I tried to summarize some of the conversations I read on Facebook, or even had some participation in. 
This is what I got so far.


- What is wrong?!

- We are … HERE!

- What do we want?!

- We want to be … THERE!!

- How do we get from HERE to THERE?

- We will vote out old folks and will vote in the NEW ones!

- How are the NEW better?

- Because they are, … well …, NEW!

- Do they know how to get us from HERE to THERE?

- We don’t know!

- Have you asked if they know how to get us from HERE to THERE?

- No, we haven’t!

- Why? What if they don’t know how to get us from HERE to THERE?

- They say they will get us from HERE to THERE!

- Do you trust them?

- Yes!

- Why?

- They are NEW! And they told us they could!

- But, think about it …

- We don’t want to think!

- But …

- We are HERE! We want to be THERE! The new guys will get us from HERE to THERE!

- OK, hope so. The n-th time maybe may be the charm.



https://the3dforce.blogspot.com/ 





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Emotions are on fire on both sides.


The other day I watched “The Opposition” with Jordan Klepper, and heard about a right alt group called “Turning Point U.S.”, and I checked their Facebook page and found this picture.


So, I left a short comment.


How about "do as I do, not as I say"?
Spreading out slogans is easy, but it does work on people who have no good education, and no ability to reason.

Need proof ? = Trump !



Soon I got this (below) response to my comment. I find it very informative.



NEVER in my LIFE, HAVE I SEEN A PRESIDENT ACTUALLY CARRY THROUGH with CAMPAIGN PROMISES!! He just didn't say things WE WANTED to hear, to get HIMSELF elected...NO.....NOT A CHANCE...NOT this president!!!!.....He's actually doing what he promised....ONE by ONE, PIECE by PIECE and DAY by day and HOUR by HOUR!!!

This man AND the cabinet he selected to make our country the BEST it can be, are setting records on Promises kept!!!

AND, THE MOST REMARKABLE THING, is that he doing this IN SPITE of the ENTIRE democratic party, the republicans that were NEVER TRUMPERS, the EVIL EMPIRE of the Clinton machine, CNN, Shepard Smith, Juan Williams, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell!!!!

Talk about the ART of the DEAL!!!! President Trump has PROVEN that he is the REAL DEAL!!! He is the MAN we voted for and NOT just a flim flam politician like the rest of them!

I really have to thank him for exposing the Washington D.C. (district of corruption) swamp and bringing it to the light of day!!!

We, the people, are finding out just how corrupt our politicians are, how low they will go, how they would rather take the country down that to help our president fulfill his promise of Making America Great Again!!!

We are finding out how many millions of OUR tax dollars are paying for these maggots' lavish lifestyle of wine, women and song AND not only that, BUT, then they have the AUDACITY to PAY OFF ANY ACCUSERS of their slimy lifestyle with OUR MONEY!!!

I don't ever remember a time when congress made any difference, they just seemed to groan on and on and accomplished NOTHING for years on end!!! This president EXPECTS them to ACTUALLY accomplish SOMETHING!!!

President Trump works 24/7 and EXPECTS the same from congress.....THIS IS A REAL SWITCH for them!! WHAT??? You mean they actually HAVE TO WORK???!!! Say it isn't so.....yes, it's so!!!

NEVER have I seen millions of dollars in ads to demean a sitting president and try and get him impeached, WITH NO GROUNDS!!! NEVER have I seen a past president, running around the world, ON OUR TAX DOLLARS, to UNDERMINE the man that took his place!!!! Never have I seen a past president and the loose of an election, meld together to form a group whose motto is "RESIST" the sitting president.....condone and ENCOURAGE rioting, disrespect and STOP the current president from making OUR country better!!

NEVER have I seen an entire party, the democrats, not only disagree with a president, BUT OPPOSE EVERY SINGLE THING HE DOES.....What are these overpaid fools doing FOR our country???!! They haven't offered one positive thing to add to the healthcare bill, the tax bill, or anything at all!!! No matter what the president tries to do, THEY WILL OBSTRUCT at any cost, EVEN IF IT TAKES OUR COUNTRY DOWN....They will stop at nothing including LYING about what he's trying to do, just as long AS IT SERVES THEIR PURPOSE to PROMOTE hatred of OUR president!!!!

NEVER have I seen a party, (the democrats) that has tried to change America as we know it...and NOT FOR THE BETTER!!

NEVER have I seen more people, even myself, take such an interest in politics.....The Trump phenomenon took over the USA by actually getting us involved and exposing what really is happening in D.C. He generated an energy we had never experienced before.....He says it like it is, even though we may not always agree with HOW he relays his messages, but ONE THING FOR SURE,,,he's REAL!!!

I, for one, just CAN'T imagine ANYONE, not realizing that America we knew, the stock market, the economy, jobs and GDP are all roaring back, because we FINALLY have a businessman in charge.....not a political HACK!!! He knows that TIME IS MONEY, which is something the rest of the politicians have NO conception of!!! THEY JUST THOUGHT THEIR LITTLE PARTY WAS GOING TO CONTINUE FOREVER!!!

NOW he is following through with making Jerusalem the capital...From what I am hearing, this is a HUGE thing that should have happened decades ago...He is facing lots of anger from the middle east...BUT, we ALWAYS face a lot of anger from the middle east!!! WHO CARES???!!!

I, along with millions of patriots, owe him a huge pat on the back, for facing the haters of the world and that includes Hildabeast and Obama, AND STILL CARRY ON with MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!

THANK YOU PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP!!!



Sunday, December 3, 2017

Basic Income: From an Ideology to The Working (!) Mechanism


To Mr. Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Chris Hughes, and Sir Richard Branson.
Dear Mr. Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Chris Hughes, and Sir Richard Branson.
According to a WSJ video (https://www.wsj.com/video/series/moving-upstream/basic-income-the-free-money-experiments-moving-upstream/AAF2641C-53F5-4C32-99C9-C0BD8409D7C6), or just the Internet search, you all ponder the idea of a basic income.
The point of this publication is simple:
STOP discussing the idea of a basic income
(leave it to politologists, sociologists, etc.)
START discussing the mechanism of the realization!
You may have different reasons for that (see Appendix I for more), but the best strategy for moving ahead would be zeroing up on a practical mechanism for a possible experimentation, and a future realization of the idea.
Currently, all proponents and opponents of a basic income discuss only one possible mechanism for the realization of the idea (https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/wage-subsidy-better-way-help-poor-7778.html), which is the governmental redistribution of funds collected via taxation.
In my view, the governmental redistribution of funds collected via taxation is the least probable approach, and will not happen in America (at least any soon). In America, taxes are as sacred and untouchable as cows in India. This situation will not change any soon, because the view on taxation is deeply rooted into American traditions, into “what does it mean to be American”, into psychology of general public. Accepting this as a fact, one needs to search for mechanisms outside of the taxation (preferably, based on behavioral economics, which proves that most people make economic decisions based on their “feelings” more often than based on thorough calculations; in short, psychology leads economy; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/09/nobel-prize-in-economics-richard-thaler).
That is why I propose a creation (eventually) of a “Federal Entitlement Fund” (or a “Federal Fund for a Basic Income”, or a “Federal Fund for the Advancement of the Living”, or a “Federal Fund for the Advancement of the Living Conditions)”.
The Fund will function in a way similar to the Federal Reserve and the Supreme Court, i.e. the board will be composed based on a consensus between the Congress and the White House (and, maybe, the Governor’s Association); but the board will function independently from all other business and government entities, and the members are elected for life.
The goals and functioning of the board will be:
1.   Establishing on the annual basis the minimum level of the “States decent living” (may be different for different States).
2.   The board will be annually providing a formal definition of a “decent living”.
3.   Every citizen and permanent resident who makes less than that level can apply for the financial help.
4.   Every U.S. based business will have to pay a one-time annual fee.
5.   The amount of the fee will be determined by the board depending on the number of the requests, and the total amount of the funds needed to grant those requests (and the funds required for the functioning of the Fund, so the functioning of the Fund would not depend on the federal budget).
6.   The amount of the fee will be determined by the board according to the formula set by the board on the annual basis.
7.   The fee is NOT a tax, it does NOT go to a federal budget, it CANNOT be used on anything else but the activities set by the board.
8.   If needed, the board may file a request to the budgeting entities to request funds from the federal budget.
It is very important to stress, that only the board will be setting up the targets and the brackets for collecting and distributed the funds, and it will be done annually (without a need for a long legislative proses).
Results:
1.   This approach will lead to ensuring that every US citizen will have a “decent living” conditions.
2.   More importantly, this approach will become a strong psychological instrument; this approach will provide incentives for business owners to stimulate the wages of the employees, because that would result in decreasing the number of requests to the fund, which would lead to the decrease (and maybe even a complete elimination) of the fee.
3.   More importantly, this approach will become a strong psychological instrument; this approach will provide incentives for business owners to stimulate job creation, because that would result in decreasing the number of requests to the fund, which would lead to the decrease (and maybe even a complete elimination) of the fee.
4.   More importantly, this approach will become a strong psychological instrument; this approach will provide incentives for business owners to join forces and to reach out to legislative bodies to push for laws and regulations which would stimulate job creation and wage growth, because that would result in decreasing the number of requests to the fund, which would lead to the decrease (and maybe even a complete elimination) of the fee.
This approach can be attempted starting on a scale of one company, or one State.
All business owners who would generally support the idea of a basic income could join the funds and create one mutual fund for the initial experimental program. Of course, that would mean that each individual business owner would lost his or her name and ownership over his or her individual program. However, on the other hand, that would mean that all business owners involved in the project would mutually own the idea. This collaboration would greatly increase the effectiveness of the program.
Of course, this collaboration will not happen until some of the business owner starts reaching out to other business owners, inviting to discuss the creation of the Fund.

Appendix I.

The idea of a basic income is not new: http://basicincome.org/basic-income/history/.
For many business owners pondering the idea of a basic income, the reason behind the idea is mostly practical: advances in automisation, robotisation, machine leaning and AI (which so far is far from HI; https://teachologyforall.blogspot.com/2017/04/vc.html) may lead to many people not having a good paying job, and the increase in the number of economically depressed people may lead to social unrest.
However, the idea of basic income has deep moral and philosophical roots.
One should start from questions like:
·      Why do people have to work for having a good living?
·      Why do people work and still not having a good living?
·      Why do people have to work?
·      Do people have to work?
·      Who and how decides who and how much a person is a valuable person?
·      How much do people need to work to be considered valuable?
·      How many people need to consider someone valuable in order that one would deserve some financial reword?
·      How many people need to consider someone’s work valuable in order that one would deserve some financial reword?
·      How to assess the importance of a person?
·      Does the amount of money one has correlates to the one’s social weight and importance?
·      Does the amount of money one has reflects the significant of work done by the one?
·      Does the amount of money one has reflects the amount of work done by the one?
·      Is a person who has ten times more money than another person also ten times more valuable for the society?
·      How much different factors are reflected in the total worth of a person?
·      What is “wealth”?
·      Who are true wealth creators? (http://the3dforce.blogspot.com/2017/09/wealth.html)

For example, when an owner of a company issuing IPO becomes a billionaire, how much of that is due to the talent of the owner, how much of that is due to the effort of the owner, and how much of that due to other factors, like good timing, good luck, greed. The latter – greed – is related to the actions of the people who have decided how many stocks to print, what price to set, and who and how much would also profit from the mere fact of a stock offering.
But the true philosophical and moral question is related to the nature of human activities, including work.
One may think that almost all people are naturally, intrinsically lazy, and without fear for their existence they would never work.
Or.
One may think that almost all people are naturally, intrinsically creative, and – if given an opportunity – would work even without fear for their existence.
Depending on the general view on the human nature people would have opposite vies on the very idea of a basic income.
For example, if people are intrinsically lazy, they do not deserve any income besides pay for their work. If that income is not enough, it is the fault of those people.
If people are intrinsically creative, all people deserve a “decent life”, and if someone does not make enough money, it is not his or her fault but a glitch in the social-economic system. If someone gets money but does not work, maybe that person just cannot work (too yang, too old, too sick, too undereducated)?
Of course, answers to such questions like: “What is the nature of human activity?”, or “What is the mission of human subjects?”, or “What are those intrinsic norms which govern people’s actions?” would only be a beginning of a long and broad philosophical discussion.

Appendix II:

The same approach can be used to decrease spending on health insurance, and to increase the number of insured citizens via a creation (eventually) of a “Federal Health Care Fund”.
The Fund will function in a way similar to the Federal Reserve and the Supreme Court, i.e. the board will be composed based on a consensus between the Congress and the White House (and, maybe, the Governor’s Association); but the board will function independently from all other business and government entities, and the members are elected for life.
The goals and functioning of the board will be:
1.   Establishing on the annual basis the minimum level of the “States health insurance coverage” (may be different for different States).
2.   Every citizen and permanent resident who does not have health insurance coverage can apply for the financial help to cover medical expenses.
3.   Every U.S. citizen and a U.S. based business will have to pay a one-time annual fee.
4.   The amount of the fee will be determined by the board depending on the number of the requests, and the total amount of the fund need to grant those requests.
5.   The amount of the fee will be determined by the board according to the formula set by the board on the annual basis.
6.   The fee is NOT a tax, it does NOT go to a federal budget, it CANNOT be used on anything else but the activities set by the board.
7.   If needed, the board may file a request to the budgeting entities to request funds from the federal budget.
Results:
1.   This approach will lead to ensuring that every US citizen will have sufficient health insurance.
2.   More importantly, this approach will become a strong psychological instrument; this approach will provide incentives for business owners to provide sufficient health insurance, because that would result in decreasing the number of requests to the fund, which would lead to the decrease (and maybe even a complete elimination) of the fee.
3.   More importantly, this approach will become a strong psychological instrument; this approach will provide incentives for business owners to extend the health insurance coverage in the various forms, because that would result in decreasing the number of requests to the fund, which would lead to the decrease (and maybe even a complete elimination) of the fee.
4.   More importantly, this approach will become a strong psychological instrument; this approach will provide incentives for business owners to reach out to healthcare providers and healthcare insurers to make them to lower the cost of the healthcare, which would lead to the decrease (and maybe even a complete elimination) of the fee.

Appendix III.

When someone tells us that “this is the way to do it just because it has been done that way for years and decades”, we all should ask “but what about Donald Trump? He broke all the rules of political engagement, and of a Presidential campaign, and succeeded, despite the disbelief of all major political and social analysts. Donald Trump is a clear proof that even the least expected things can happen”.
Of course, we could also just turn to a history in general, or to the history of science, to see how wide-spread views and opinions (“The Earth is flat”) have been replaced by new views and opinions (“The Earth is round”).
Nowadays, we can expect that the same type of an opinion change can happen again, but this time in politics and economics.
Let’s take a look at taxes, for example.
The conventional models do not work anymore. If nothing will be done, the federal government may become insolvent simply due to payments related to financing the government debt. Another extreme possibility is cutting all government support to low income citizens but to risk a social instability. Standard models do not offer any other options except theses two.
In a situation like this, all ideas should be welcome and discussed and analyzed.
For example, an idea of raising taxes on everyone.
It is assumed that raising taxes on people will automatically make their life worse – because people will have left with less money.
However, this assumption is too general.
Raising taxes may be complimented by other legislative actions, which could lead simultaneously to a drop in the cost of living.
For example, a household would have to pay $300 more in annual taxes, but the cost of food would drop so the same household would spend $500 less a year.
That would increase the level of living.
This example shows that statement “raising taxes always lowers standard of living” is wrong, in general. Only the complete analysis of all possibilities can demonstrate the net effect of any proposed tax/financial reform.

Appendix IV.

Innovation, vision, creativity, an ability to think outside of a box, an ability to think are important in business, in venture capital adventures, in R&D for new devices, new designs, new applications.
But
innovation, vision, creativity, an ability to think outside of a box, an ability to think are also important in social designing (including education:e.g. http://www.teachology.xyz/30uS.html, or https://teachologyforall.blogspot.com/2017/04/vc.html; or https://teachologyforall.blogspot.com/2017/03/YidanPrize.html; etc.).

Appendix V.

An original post on taxes and tax cuts:
http://the3dforce.blogspot.com/2017/11/taxcode.html
 

Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Disinformation – the new weapon of Republicans




Recently Mr. Ben Shapiro published a short video titled: “Was America founded on slavery?”


This video is a classic case of BS (as well as, I’m sure, all other his videos, because they have only one purpose – to lie; see below why).

The video follows the well-established strategy for creating disinformation (read, for example, “Disinformation: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism” by Ronald J. RychlakLt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa; this book gives a great intro into what disinformation is, and how it is made up and used: https://www.amazon.com/Disinformation-Strategies-Undermining-Attacking-Promoting-ebook/dp/B01ED2THK4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511407647&sr=8-1&keywords=disinformation+book).

First, we hear that “some people say this”.

Who?

Someone.

Who, specifically?

No one specifically, no names, no citations, just “some people”.

And then we hear arguments against “this what was said” – which is a lie (but to camouflage the lie, the author always throws in several well-known facts, too).
One more time, the strategy follows theses simple steps:
1. invent a statement which no one makes
2. attribute this statement to your political enemies
3. attack the statement ("debunk" it)
4. point your finger at your political enemies and say - "they are wrong, I am right!"

The central lie (presented as an argument) is always invented by the author, in this case by Mr. Shapiro.

In the video, for example, the central lie is: “Leftists tell us that America was founded on slavery” and “pretend that unites states was unique regardless slavery”.

Again - no names, no actual citations.

Why?

Because they do not exist.

There is no respectful historian who would ever said or wrote that “America was FOUNDED on slavery” – this is the myth, or, fake statement, or – using old fashioned language – just a lie.

As well as there is no respectful historian who would “pretend that unites states was unique regardless slavery”.

Why?

Because every educated person knows that America was not founded on slavery.

As an educated person, I say that some people have been saying that Mr. Ben Shapiro is the master of BS.

But I would disagree with those some people, because what he says is far far from being a work of a master.

There are some facts in the video, which people who never get to learn actual history would find interesting, so the video may have some value as means to popularize history, and to ignite interest to it (like the years when slavery was ended in different countries).

Among others, there is another specific lie I would like to point at; Mr. Shapiro says “the war was to free the slaves”. Did he do it on purpose, or he is just ignorant? Not sure (both?). But the civil war was to preserve the unity of the States. Among the reasons threatening that unity was, of course, slavery.

But even today there are people who would love to return back to slavery, maybe not in the same form, maybe in a “softer” form, like political, economic, intellectual domination, using all means available to deprive people of color from being truly socially and economically equal.

And those people put forward people like Mr. Shapiro to invent and present a net of scientifically-looking but completely false statements (a.k.a. disinformation, a.k.a. lies).

So, watch out!

And ask yourself a question: “Why does Mr. Shapiro and people behind him defend a statement which no one – except them! – makes?”

Because they are scared.

They are scared to lose the power.

They are scared to lose the power due to upcoming changes in the U.S. demographic (more on this topic here: http://the3dforce.blogspot.com/2017/07/peering.html).

They do all they can to “water down” the effect the slavery had and still has on the United States; to make the history of slavery be just one of many historic facts, which – yes – happened in the past, but – like rotary phones – just died out, and should be just forgotten.
Why?
Because, IF the slavery would be “not a big deal, other countries had it, too, and it did not play any major role in the history of the States”, then “there is no reason” to focus on the millions of people of color who for decades have been purposely held at the fringes of the political, social and economic life. Hence, “why bother”, “we all are equal”, and “if they don’t have what we have, it is not our fault”.
Every time when someone says “slavery is not important any more, we can forget it happened”, what he or she actually means is: “I hate when any resources go to help politically, economically, or socially disadvantaged people to advance their political, economic, and social status, because I don’t want to share anything with them”.
Ironically, many of those people call themselves a "Christian".

Naturally, Mr. Shapiro is not alone in his endeavor toward b@#lsh@#ing people, for example, check this link: http://the3dforce.blogspot.com/2017/04/mmoore.html
or
http://the3dforce.blogspot.com/2017/10/slavery_10.html
BTW:
Currently, progressives of all sort are busy with fashioning a big fiery GALA (http://the3dforce.blogspot.com/2017/11/3dforcedown.html).
At the same time Regressive Republicans developed a network of disinformation.
Who is a real revolutionary here?

Appendix:


After watching the video, I placed two comments. Then some people responded to my comments, and I responded to them – it is good way to advancing one’s arguments and debating skills.

Below is that conversation.

To Valentin Voroshilov:

"'Leftists tell us that America was founded on slavery' and 'pretend that unites states was unique regardless slavery'. Again - no names, no actual citations. Why? Because they do not exist."

They do exist. Either you are ignorant or you're being dishonest. Michelle Obama said the United States was founded on slavery. The Young Turks also regurgitate the same talking point. Perhaps you have never heard of Franchesca Ramsey? Let's also not forget Jesse Jackson, Michael Eric Dyson, Al Sharpton, Boyce Watkins, Ben Jealous, Tim Wise, Noel Iganatiev, Jeremiah White, John Henrik Clarke, Ward Churchill, Howard Zinn, James Loewen, and Toure Neblette just to name a few more. There's also publications such as BuzzFeed and Vox that also spew the nonsense of America being founded on slavery.
You should put aside your complacency and do a simple google search.

"There is no respectful historian who would ever said or wrote that 'America was FOUNDED on slavery' – this is the myth, or, fake statement, or – suing old fashioned language – just a lie."

That depends on who you consider a "respectful" historian. The left hails Ward Churchill and Howard Zinn. Both are required reading for many history classes in college. However I digress because neither of these two are actual historians even though many on the left hold them as such.

"There is one lie I would like to point at, Mr. Shapiro says 'the war was to free the slaves'."

Alexander Stephens, who was Vice President of the Confederacy, said that "slavery is the foundation of the Confederacy" in his Cornerstone Speech. Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina all cited slavery as their primary reason for secession from the Union. Jefferson Davis called the Emancipation Proclamation an execrable measure. The Confederate Constitution even bans the abolition of slavery. That should seal the deal on the issue of slavery. Southern denial over slavery as a cause for war comes only after the Civil War ended as a justification for secession. It still lingers to this day. You can make the case the most Southern soldiers didn't fight for slavery, but the government they fought for did (as already laid out above).

"And even till these days there are people who would love to return back to slavery, maybe not in the same form, in a 'softer' form, like political, economic, intellectual domination, using all means available to deprive people of color from being truly socially and economically equal."

Amazing... How to put your own double standard into perspective? I know. How did you phrase it? "No one specifically, no names, no citations, just 'some people'." "Again - no names, no actual citations." Well? Care to address the fact that you blatantly contradicted yourself here Voroshilov? Thanks for clocking in.


From me:

1. Love to see people who can quote.
2. I KNOW people who would love to return back to slavery in a "soft form ", those people are not in the news, so their names will not matter, and that is good for me, because I do NOT make any generalization here. I just say - those people do exist. And they do.
3. Thank you for accepting that for the Confederacy the war was to save the slavery. But it does NOT logically mean that for the opponents (you know who there are, right) the war ALSO was about the same thing; that type of a statement is one of many false equivalence, which work for people who do not trace logical steps.
4. Thanks for trying to reason!
P.S. almost forgot, please, send a link to the transcripts (!) of the Obama's (for example) speech with the exact statement "America was founded on slavery".


To Valentin Voroshilov:

No, the Civil War was to keep slavery in the South. The North Democrats very clearly saw that "white lives" were being sacrificed for "black slavery", and they didn't like it. Abolitionists saw it as a war to free the slaves, and were wholeheartedly behind it, and saw Lincoln as dragging his feet. Lincoln was desperately trying to keep the Union together, and eventually realized that (A) that wasn't going to happen unless slavery was abolished and (B) the war actually provided the best possible way to free the slaves in the South anyway. But the war absolutely was about slavery. It wouldn't have happened without slavery, slavery was clearly the core reason behind every major player in the South and the only message of the South, and the end of slavery was the only major shift due to the war. Oh, and if you don't know who is saying that America was founded on slavery...just turn on freaking MSNBC for a few hours. I can't imagine how you've possibly missed it.

So...the Confederacy was fighting to save slavery... from people who weren't fighting to get rid of it. Yes, _ that makes perfect sense._ Let me know when you've sorted out that particular logical mess.

From me:

Hehe,
Nice return, I like the term “logical mess”,
It is like saying that

America was FOUNDED on the event which happened 84 years AFTER is was founded.

Classic!! In case you need some reference and have no history book handy: Go to the internet and search “when was America founded” (but do not fall for the “Independence Day” movie – that is a fantasy set in the future!).
Then go to the internet and search for “when did Southern states secede from the Union?”
Then write down the years for each event.
Then subtract – you may need a calculator, but those are cheap these days. BTW: do not put in my mouth the words I didn’t say – also classic trick of lairs. I said: quote “the civil war was to preserve the unity of the States. Among the reasons threatening that unity was slavery, of course.”
Got it?
“the civil war was to preserve the UNITY of the States”

From me:

Many people want to “water down” the effect the slavery had and still has on the United States; to make the history of slavery be just one of many historic facts, which – yes – happened in the past, but – like rotary phones – just died out, and should be just forgotten. Why? Because, IF the slavery would be “not a big deal, other countries had it, too, and it did not play any major role in the history of the States”, then “there is no reason” to focus on the millions of people of color who for decades have been purposely held at the fringes of the political, social and economic life. Hence, “why bother”, “we all are equal”, and “if they don’t have what we have, it is not our fault”. Every time when someone says “slavery is not important any more, we can forget it happened”, what he or she actually means is: “I hate when any resources go to help politically, economically, or socially disadvantaged people to advance their political, economic, and social status, because I don’t want to share anything with them”.


If Ben Shapiro blew somebody's mind, that mind might have been not very strong (e.g. easily blown). I guess, apple and the tree situation. http://the3dforce.blogspot.com/2017/11/disinformation.html